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  • LeeLewis
    Member
    • Feb 2018
    • 88

    Used DC inverters

    I currently have a grid tied 10.5KW system using 42 panels.
    It is broken down into 4 strings (2x 10 panels and 2x 11 panels).

    The panels are Mage / Powetec Plus, 250 / 6 PL US AC.
    AC output, 240V
    AC Max Cont output current, 0.992A
    AC Max Cont output power, 238W
    AMPHENOL Helios H4

    Since they come with the inverters pre mounted, they don't give any info on DC output.
    However, I am able to find specs on the inverters so that gives me all I need.

    The inverters are Pantheon II.
    INPUT (DC) DATA P250LV-208/240
    Recommended STC Module Input Power Rating 235 W – 280 W
    Maximum Continuous Input Power 250 W
    Maximum Input Voltage 48V
    MPPT Voltage Range 18V-37V
    Maximum Power Voltage Range 25V-37V
    Maximum DC Short Circuit Current 15A
    Maximum Input Current 10A

    Based on the inverter requirements, I know the panels are putting out between 18V-37V DC. I tested some and they were in the 32V range when I did.

    Now, my unknowns are as follow.

    Am I correct to assume that I remove the grid tied inverters from the panels then connect each of those panels to a DC/DC combiner.
    Right now, panels are connected in series and since I have shade issues, I'll need to use parallel.
    Each panel will get connected to a combiner to get one final output of 48VDC. For 10-11 panels,

    I'm thinking of using a 6KW-8KW inverter but that might be a little overkill? Is it?

    I'd like to convert one string initially but I might want to add another later.
    This means I'll try to find either an inverter that will allow me to add more panels or one that allows multiple inverters to be connected together.
    I've not seen anything that would allow me to connect 20+ panels. Maybe a panel combiner of some sort?

    I might be using the term 'string' incorrectly in terms of my new setup.
    In some cases, a string is panels connected in series and in combiners, they seem to imply that each panel is a string.

    This will not be connected to the grid, it will be connected to a 48VDC inverter that will either charge my battery bank directly or provide a clean 120VAC or 240VAC output that I can use to charge existing UPS's I have for example.

    Again, the panels have standard AMPHENOL Helios H4 connectors.
    There is tons of used solar hardware on eBay and on Craigslist.

    Wondering if I am overlooking something?
    Last edited by LeeLewis; 10-23-2022, 12:44 PM.
  • LeeLewis
    Member
    • Feb 2018
    • 88

    #2
    I'm surprised no one here has any thoughts on this.

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    • Mike 134
      Solar Fanatic
      • Jan 2022
      • 393

      #3
      Originally posted by LeeLewis
      I'm surprised no one here has any thoughts on this.
      Well, I've never worked with those inverters so pointless to offer an opinion.

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      • jflorey2
        Solar Fanatic
        • Aug 2015
        • 2331

        #4
        Originally posted by LeeLewis
        I currently have a grid tied 10.5KW system using 42 panels. . . .
        Am I correct to assume that I remove the grid tied inverters from the panels then connect each of those panels to a DC/DC combiner.
        No. You'll connect them in series to get the appropriate voltage range for your string inverter.
        Right now, panels are connected in series and since I have shade issues, I'll need to use parallel.
        If you have shading issues, keep the microinverters. They are the best way to handle shading.
        I'm thinking of using a 6KW-8KW inverter but that might be a little overkill? Is it?
        You are not going to find a string inverter that can handle 218 amps at 48 volts.
        it will be connected to a 48VDC inverter . . . .
        Ah, that's different. So to be clear, you are not connecting to an inverter. You are connecting to a charge controller, and from there to a battery. The charge controller's input voltage range will determine your arrangement. If I were you, I'd do 14 strings of 3 in series, then use 3 combiners, then use a 150 volt input charge controller. Use diodes on all strings.

        If you are doing all this work - why not just do an AC coupled system? That way you just buy a new inverter, do some electrical work and you're done.

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        • LeeLewis
          Member
          • Feb 2018
          • 88

          #5
          Hi,

          Sorry, I never knew there was a reply to this until it just happened to come up in my browser history.

          In the end, I just want to be able to use some or all of my solar system.

          The problem is that the inverters keep dying so are the weak point in a system like mine.
          Rather than replacing them, I'd like to find a way to convert the system.

          I accidentally said DC inverter but what I mean is a combiner box of some sort. I think a combiner because that would allow for current to get through even if some panels aren't generating.
          I thought about tying them in series but if one goes down, they all so so it seems like a combiner of some sort would take care of that.

          I have four strings so would convert one, then another, leaving the rest of the system grid tied.

          Can you explain why you think there might be 218amps? Do you mean if I tied all of the panels in series or something like that?

          >why not just do an AC coupled system? That way you just buy a new inverter, do some electrical work and you're done.

          This means a hybrid right? Where I would take the output of the solar, feed it into the hybrid box which in turn would charge batteries, feed the grid as usual and keep functioning if the grid went down. Is this right?

          And if this is right, I don't really need 10+KW of power for emergency, I'd be happy to get 3Kw to 5KW or so.

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