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  • lkstaack
    Solar Fanatic
    • Nov 2014
    • 140

    NeoVolta Home Battery Storage

    TLDR: I had a NeoVolta home battery installed in my home in order to save money and gain a modicum of electricity independence. It’s working great, but I’m not completely satisfied with my decisions.

    I recently placed a home solar battery into operation and I would like to share my experience. I have learned that there is more than a high price point to discourage purchasing a home battery. The expense can be recovered by amortizing it over the life of the battery, but what about other disadvantages? I’m not completely satisfied with my home battery decision. I failed to adequately anticipate my information requirements, so I ended up with a battery that doesn’t meet all of my needs. Learn from my mistakes.

    First, I’d like to discuss the reasons to purchase home battery storage. I, like many others, initially believed that batteries were for emergency electrical backups. They do serve that purpose, but there are other reasons as well, such as:
    • Save Money. Batteries will reduce or eliminate your homes electrical demand from the grid. This can save you pennies or dollars, depending on what your utility charges. If your utility only pays pennies for your solar contribution to the grid, saving the power in a battery for your use when they charge a fortune makes sense.
    • Make Money. If your utility offers Time of Use (TOU), it may be possible to charge batteries with solar and then sell it to the utility during on-peak periods. Your mileage may vary depending on local laws and regulations.
    • Community Benefit. Saving electricity to a battery places less demand on the grid during on-peak periods. This can result in lower energy costs, if the utility passes along the savings.
    • Electrical Independence. All solar users hooked to the grid know that their power goes down with the grid. However with a home battery, the circuits attached to the battery remain on, even when the grid goes down.

    The high cost of a home battery initially led me to forgo it and purchase a backup generator. A generator is an inexpensive alternative for emergency backups. But recent developments led me to understand other advantages of home batteries. First, my local electrical utility raised prices (again). On-Peak pricing is now $.511 per kilowatt in the winter and $.816 in the summer. Ouch! Then the Federal Government’s Inflation Reduction Act included a 30% tax credit for home battery storage.

    After learning about the home battery tax credit, I decided to determine if a battery made financial sense. First, I sought my historical electricity usage. San Diego Gas and Electric, my utility, provided consumption data for entire years, at 15-minute intervals, in a spreadsheet format. By organizing the data, I was able to determine and graph my on-peak (4 to 9 pm) usage. The data showed a usage high of 38.6 kW (AC use), low of 1.2 kW, an average of 7.2 kW, and a mean of 5.9 kW. By applying the kWh cost, I determined that I paid $1,765 for electricity between 4-9 pm in CY 2002.

    However, current individual home batteries are incapable of supplying my usage when running AC. For example, an individual Tesla Powerwall battery can only provide 5 kW continuously, far short of the 20 kWs needed when running AC (unless multiple batteries are used). So, I needed to determine how much of my on-peak usage could be economically filled with a single home battery. Optimally, I would want a battery that could fill most of my on-peak needs; between 5.9 kW and 7.2 kW.

    When you think of home battery storage, most people think of Tesla’s Powerwall. However, there are many other brands available. Within all home batteries however, there are two lithium types: Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC), and Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP), aka LiFePO4. Tesla and most other brands use NMC. NMC batteries have greater energy density. However, LFP batteries have many advantages over NMC. First, they are safer. While NMC batteries are generally safe, they have been known to catch fire when overcharged, overheated or receive physical damage. Not so with LFP batteries. LFP batteries also suffer less degradation than NMC, deliver more charge cycles (last longer), and run cooler. I concentrated my battery search on LFP batteries.

    When starting my search for a home battery among the many available, I looked for the following:
    • LFP technology
    • Continuous output greater than 5.9 kW
    • Usable capacity greater than 10 kWh
    • Warrantied to at least 10 years without additional fees
    • Can be charged with a generator
    Now, with 20/20 hindsight, I should have also considered the following:
    • Does it have an integrated inverter?
    • How is the input and output monitored?
    • What control does the owner/user have over battery output?
    • What is the ease of installation and maintenance?

    I choose the NeoVolta home battery at the end of last year. I now realize that my search should have been deeper, and there appears to be more LFP batteries available now. During my search, I found that most batteries were NMC and most didn’t have the continuous output that I desired. I choose NeoVolta because:
    • LFP technology
    • Continuous output of 7.6 kW
    • Usable capacity of 14.4 kWh
    • 10 year warranty
    • Can be charged with a generator
    • Compatible with either AC or DC input
    Other bonuses of the NeoVolta:
    • Integrated inverter. I could remove my 8 year old 6kW SolarEdge inverter that was preventing me from collecting all available power from my 7.7 kW panels.
    • Modular design. My battery installers sang the praises of NeoVolta modular design. The battery case is accessible from the front and batteries, connectors, fuses, and inverter were all easily accessible. In comparison, the installers said that the Powerwall was easy to install, but if it required maintenance, the whole thing had to be removed to gain access.
    The NeoVolta battery system has problems that I failed to anticipate.
    • Power Optimizer Replacement. After I decided to purchase NeoVolta, but before I made the purchase, I was informed that my 21 almost new SolarEdge power optimizers were incompatible. I would have to purchase new Tigo optimizers. This wasn’t a show-stopper, but it led to my next problem.
    • Power Input Monitoring.
      • I failed to ask about solar panel monitoring with the removal of my SolarEdge optimizers and inverter before purchase. When I finally did ask about it, I was told that they would “try” to run a cable through the existing conduit. Unfortunately, the underground conduit run to my ground-mount array down the hill would not allow a new cable, or even allow pulling the existing wires. Either the wires were taped together, and/or the conduit was sagging, and/or filled with mud, and/or had sharp transitions.
      • The Tigo reporting system uses ZigBee technology to communicate with optimizers. The receiver and cable was run alongside my house and to the top of my backyard pergola. It works, but doesn’t look good.
    • Battery Output Control. NeoVolta assumes that users are imbeciles and are not allowed to adjust output; only installers may adjust battery output, at their discretion and convenience. Want to run the battery during on-peak? No problem! You want to turn it off at 12 pm and start it again at 6 am? You want to keep a reserve for backup? Well, we’ll see.
    • System Monitoring. Again, NeoVolta assumes that users are imbeciles.
      • If you want to monitor your entire PV system using PVOutput or any other system that requires an API Key, you are out of luck. NeoVolta’s reasoning is “Because this data allows access to a great amount of information that is not appropriate at the customer level.
      • NeoVolta allows monitoring via the SOLARMAN Smart application. Despite its misogynistic name, It provides much of the solar input and consumption data I want. Unfortunately, it only provides consumption passing through the battery; it doesn’t provide total consumption with circuits not hooked to the battery.
      • I loved using PVOutput. Using the third-party Rainforest monitor, I was able to see my current and cumulative daily solar output juxtaposed against current and cumulative consumption. I am unable to use it with NeoVolta.
    I apologize for the length of this review. Feel free to ask questions.
    Last edited by lkstaack; 05-04-2023, 12:04 AM.
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  • solardreamer
    Solar Fanatic
    • May 2015
    • 452

    #2
    Thanks for the review. You provided the cost of electricity but not for the battery so it's not possible to assess your premise of saving/making money. What was the total installed cost for the AC battery system before and after incentives? Cost of the required optimizer changes?

    BTW, in addition to your dislikes, another thing I don't like about NeoVolta is that it uses Deye inverter inside which stores your data in China. Also, if you really want to run central A/C off-grid then make sure it has a soft-start kit and you would still need a larger AC battery system that can provide 10kW+ rated power for a practical setup (i.e. running some house loads in addition to the central A/C).

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    • lkstaack
      Solar Fanatic
      • Nov 2014
      • 140

      #3
      I didn’t know that NeoVolta uses the Chinese Deye inverter; it sure looks like one of their hybrid units. What kind of data is hosted in China?

      As you mentioned, there’s a few things I intended but forgot to include.

      First, the financial rationale for a home battery. While I determined that I spent $1,765 last year during on-peak periods, I knew that a single battery couldn’t provide all of my on-peak needs. Once I made a tentative decision to get the NeoVolta, I attempted to determine how much money I’d save with it. I assumed similar on-peak usage as last year, but capped it at 7.68 kW for any particular time. Then, I multiplied it by this year’s San Diego Gas & Electric (SDGE) on-peak rates ($0.51/Winter, $0.82/Summer). Then, I assumed 10% annual electricity increases (actual SDG&E increases for the last decade are closer to 20%). Using these facts and assumptions, I calculated cumulative savings as indicated:
      Year Savings
      1 $1,366
      2 $2,870
      3 $4,373
      4 $5,876
      5 $7,379
      6 $8,882
      7 $10,385
      8 $11,889
      9 $13,392
      10 $14,895
      11 $16,398
      12 $17,901
      Now, the net cost. The battery and installation cost $17,500. Adding optimizers, combiner box, generator run, etc, brings the total to $19,110. Receiving a 30% tax credit brings the amount down to $13,377. I may also qualify for the California State SGIP Rebate of $2,084. If so, that would bring my net cost down to $11,293. If that’s the case, I should break even in eight years. If not, I should receive ROI in nine years.

      I also wanted to share my initial impression of the NeoVolta battery storage system. It seems to be doing everything it’s supposed to. I’m not using any 110 volt power from the grid during on-peak times; it’s all supplied from the battery. I’m also thrilled that the integrated inverter is allowing me to capture more solar production than before.

      However, I’m still using 220 volt power for AC, the oven, Tesla charging, and the spa; only I don’t have visibility of what I’m using. All of my 110 volt circuits are fed by or through the battery, but none of my 220 volt circuits are. So, since the NeoVolta supplied “SOLARMAN Smart” tracker only tracks circuits fed by or through the battery, I don’t have a good understanding of my total energy consumed. I really resent that.

      As mentioned, the battery is supplying all of my 110 volt on-peak use. However, because this time of year doesn’t experience a lot of on-peak consumption, I have a lot of battery remaining after on-peak; I’m leaving energy on the table. I could be selling electricity during on-peak; but NeoVolta won’t give customers privileges to change battery behavior. I wish I had the ability to program battery usage as needed and adjust for seasonal usage changes. But, I have to ask my installer. Maybe he’ll make changes, maybe he won’t, or maybe he’ll get tired of me asking.

      I wonder, are all home battery providers as restrictive towards user control as NeoVolta?
      Last edited by lkstaack; 05-04-2023, 11:26 AM.
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      • solardreamer
        Solar Fanatic
        • May 2015
        • 452

        #4
        The server stores all data (e.g. login/password/contact/system) you used to setup an account and all monitoring data.

        Your break-even period looks typical for home battery systems which is close to the warranty period. So, it's questionable if you will actually save money.

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        • Ampster
          Solar Fanatic
          • Jun 2017
          • 3650

          #5
          I have reached a different conclusion about the value of a battery system. I am in a high priced market in California with increasing probability that the rates will increase. My system gives me the ability to virtually consume no power during peak times and charge either from solar or at super off peak rates. Based on an assumed life and daily storage assumption of the batteries my cost for stored energy was a range of $0.14 to $0.20 per kWh. Add to that the cost of my solar produciton which i estimated to be $0.05 per kWh I am still ahead of the average of $0.30 per kWh purchasing power from PG&E. I still have to also use the grid as a seasonal battery because my winter consumption is greater than my winter production. My True Up is September and by the end of March I am a Net consumer of about 2.5 mWhs of energy. Last year by my September True Up I was a Net consumer of one mWh of energy and had a small dollar credit which washed against my consumption such that I just paid the minimum monthly charge. Both my GT system and my hybrid inverter and battery system cost $30,000 and has saved me $3,000 per year which is roughly a ten year payback. It all depends on where you are standing. YMMV.
          I do agree that the payback is roghly the same as the warrany and the useful life of the system, but the other benefits are a backup for the three or four power outages we have each year and a hedge against rate increases and erosion of NEM benefits.
          Last edited by Ampster; 05-07-2023, 05:50 PM.
          9 kW solar, 42kWh LFP storage. EV owner since 2012

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          • SunEagle
            Super Moderator
            • Oct 2012
            • 15126

            #6
            Originally posted by Ampster
            I have reached a different conclusion about the value of a battery system. I am in a high priced market in California with increasing probability that the rates will increase. My system gives me the ability to virtually consume no power during peak times and charge either from solar or at super off peak rates. Based on an assumed life and daily storage assumption of the batteries my cost for stored energy was a range of $0.14 to $0.20 per kWh. Add to that the cost of my solar produciton which i estimated to be $0.05 per kWh I am still ahead of the average of $0.30 per kWh purchasing power from PG&E. I still have to also use the grid as a seasonal battery because my winter consumption is greater than my winter production. My True Up is September and by the end of March I am a Net consumer of about 2.5 mWhs of energy. Last year by my September True Up I was a Net consumer of one mWh of energy and had a small dollar credit which washed against my consumption such that I just paid the minimum monthly charge. Both my GT system and my hybrid inverter and battery system cost $30,000 and has saved me $3,000 per year which is roughly a ten year payback. It all depends on where you are standing. YMMV.
            I do agree that the payback is roghly the same as the warrany and the useful life of the system, but the other benefits are a backup for the three or four power outages we have each year and a hedge against rate increases and erosion of NEM benefits.
            I am actually happy that some people can justify a battery system for their home. Although I am appalled at the electric rates they have to pay to justify those batteries.

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            • lkstaack
              Solar Fanatic
              • Nov 2014
              • 140

              #7
              Originally posted by Ampster
              I do agree that the payback is roghly the same as the warrany and the useful life of the system, but the other benefits are a backup for the three or four power outages we have each year and a hedge against rate increases and erosion of NEM benefits.
              So true. I expect my LFP batteries to last much longer than the warranty, too. SDG&E, charging some of the highest rates in the nation, has requested rate increase approval from the State PUC because they just aren't making enough. Not to mention their efforts to link charges to income. Also, with uncertainties from potential natural disasters and internet intrusions, it's nice to know that my battery and generator will keep my lights on.
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