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  • InternetPresence
    Junior Member
    • May 2024
    • 3

    What size controller will I need for my Camper?

    Hello, I'm learning and still need some advice on what size controller I should have for 400 Watts of solar panels, 3 12 volt batteries, and to hook up in series or parallel.

    Here is the information I gathered so far.


    Solar Panel Model # CSSB-200W (2 of them):
    Watts: 200 X 2 = 400 Watts
    PMAX (VMP): 20V X 2 = 40 Volts
    Voltage Open Circuit (VOC): 23.6V X 2 = 47.2 Volts
    Maximum Power Voltage (VMP): 20V X 2 = 40 Volts
    Short Circuit Current (ISC): 11A X 2 = 22 Amps

    Controller:
    Maximum PV input Power is less than 40 Volts
    Maximum open voltage input of PV module is greater than 47.2 Volts
    Operational Voltage Range is at least 40 Volts
    Rated charging current greater than 27.5 Amps
    Maximum charging current is less than the rated charging current of the battery. 48v 40amp mppt solar charge controller for 400 watts

    Batteries:
    Cold Cranking Amps (CCA): 555/190RC Amps
    Marine Cranking Amps (MCA): 690 Amps
    Voltage (V): 12 Volt
    Amp Hour (Ah): 100 AH? (not sure of this one)
    I have 2 batteries and 1 smaller one.

    Thank you in advance,
    Michael Rock




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  • Fordtrucksforever
    Member
    • Oct 2019
    • 42

    #2
    Those are basically 12 volt panels. So to keep things simple parallel both the batteries and panels. Then a smaller 30 amp charge controller will do the job. I have been using one under the Makeskyblue name. The 30A-V118 sells for around $55. It is a true MPPT charger. I am going on 4 years with mine without any issues. You can pick up an inexpensive 400 watt inverter if needing AC power.

    You could also wire both in series too. The same charge controller will work for either way you go.

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    • InternetPresence
      Junior Member
      • May 2024
      • 3

      #3
      Thanks Fordtrucksforever! I own a 99 Ford F250 Super Duty with a 7.3-liter diesel.

      Here is what I learned so far and the notes that I took.



      If we aim to fully charge the battery within 2.5 hours (100Ah/4A), we require a minimum charging current of 40 amps, which is lower than the battery's rated charging current. Therefore, we can choose a 48v 40amp mppt solar charge controller.

      Additionally, to ensure the desired charging current, you must increase the power of the solar array. As mentioned earlier, a 400W solar panel produces 27.88A (factoring in a 25% margin). Thus, we need to parallel two 400W solar panels to match this solar charge controller.

      It is important to note, that at this point, the total power of the solar array is 800W, and the maximum PV input voltage of the selected controller must be greater than the voltage of the solar panels.


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      Note:

      When sizing your charge controller, take into account both the capacity of your battery system and the configuration of your solar panels-whether they are connected in series or parallel. Series connections boost voltage, whereas parallel connections increase current. Align the specifications of your charge controller with the current and voltage requirements of your specific setup.
      Factor1 - What is the maximum power of the solar panel


      The maximum power of a solar panel, abbreviated as Pmax, denotes its highest output under ideal conditions. It is crucial for ensuring optimal energy generation and compatibility with the solar charge controllers.

      Find it on the label on the back of the panel or in its datasheet, abbreviated as Pmax. Ensure that the total power of the solar panels does not exceed the maximum PV input power of the selected controller.
      Factor2 - What is the maximum voltage of the solar panel


      When determining the size of the charge controller, it's essential to consider the Voltage Open Circuit of the solar panel, especially when you have the solar panels connected in series. This voltage represents the maximum output voltage of the panel without any load, ensuring that the charge controller's maximum PV input voltage rating greater than this value is crucial for safe operation.

      For instance, when using a PowMr 400W solar panel with a Voc (Voltage Open Circuit) of 37.28V, it is imperative to ensure that the solar charge controller's maximum open voltage input of PV module greater than 37.28V. If 2 panels are connected in series, the Voc of the solar array would reach 74.56V, thereby necessitating that the maximum allowable Solar Array Open-Circuit Voltage be higher than this value.


      Note:

      Moreover, to achieve peak efficiency and extract the maximum power potential from the solar panels, it is essential to consider the Maximum Power Voltage (Vmp) of the solar panel. The operational voltage range of the solar charge controller must encompass the Vmp of the solar panel. This ensures efficient energy conversion under different sunlight conditions and varying load demands.
      Factor3 - How many amps does a 400W solar panel produce


      In addition to Voc, another crucial parameter to consider is the Isc (short-circuit current) of the solar panel, indicating its maximum current output under ideal conditions when terminals are short-circuited.

      To prevent potential damage to the controller and battery from PV current, choose a controller with a rated charging current greater than the solar panel's short-circuit current, particularly when paralleling solar panels.

      To determine the appropriate charge controller, it's advisable to incorporate a safety margin, typically by adding 25% to the Isc value.

      Considering the 400W solar panel mentioned earlier with an Isc of 13.94A, the ideal solar charge controller should have a charging current rating exceeding 17.43A, which is 13.94A * 1.25. If you put 4 in parallel, the Isc of the solar array is 27.88A, added a 25% margin, and a solar charge controller with a rated charging current over 34.86A would be suitable.
      Factor4 - How long to charge a battery with 400w solar panel


      We recommend prioritizing the selection of a controller to enhance the charging rate based on battery capacity and charging current considerations. Then, determine the size of the solar array.

      The battery-rated charging current refers to the maximum allowable current at which the battery can be safely charged without damage. It represents the upper limit of the charging rate that the battery can accept. Therefore, it is crucial to ensure that the maximum charging current of the solar charge controller does not exceed the rated charging current of the battery.

      For example, for the PowMr 12v 100Ah lifepo4 battery, the rated charging current is 50 amps. Considering that the voltage of a 400W solar panel is much higher than 12v, we need to connect 4 batteries in series to form a 48v system, and the battery bank capacity remains at 100Ah.

      Related Post:

      Wiring Batteries in Series vs Parallel in Solar Power System

      If we aim to fully charge the battery within 2.5 hours (100Ah/4A), we require a minimum charging current of 40 amps, which is lower than the battery's rated charging current. Therefore, we can choose a 48v 40amp mppt solar charge controller.

      Additionally, to ensure the desired charging current, you must increase the power of the solar array. As mentioned earlier, a 400W solar panel produces 27.88A (factoring in a 25% margin). Thus, we need to parallel two 400W solar panels to match this solar charge controller.

      It is important to note, that at this point, the total power of the solar array is 800W, and the maximum PV input voltage of the selected controller must be greater than the voltage of the solar panels.


      How to find the charging current of a battery?

      Charging time of battery = Battery Ah / Charging Current T = Ah / a Example, suppose for 120 Ah battery, First of all, we will calculate Charging Current for 120Ah battery = 120 x (10 / 100) = 12 Amperes.


      Final Thought - What will 400w solar panel run


      When selecting a controller, you should first consider the load you'll be using with solar power and the duration of power supply to determine the required battery capacity. Then, select and match the appropriate solar panels and design the solar panel array accordingly.

      To gain a better understanding of power needs and storage requirements, here's a concise list of typical household appliances that a 400W solar panel could potentially sustain. Battery capacity calculations will be provided shortly
      Appliance Number of Appliances Nominal Power (W) Time of Use (hours) Energy Use per Appliance (Wh)
      Blender 1 300 0.25 75
      LED lights 3 10 4 120
      Flat Screen TV 1 60 3 180
      Toaster 1 800 0.1 80
      Laptop 1 50 4 200
      Microwave 1 1500 1 1500
      Washing Machine 1 500 1 500
      Fridge 1 150 24 3600
      Total Energy 6135 (Wh)
      By conducting this energy demand assessment, we've established that our batteries need to store at least 6135 watt-hours (Wh) of solar power. To factor in any unforeseen surges in usage, this amount should be multiplied by 1.5: 6135 Wh * 1.5 = 9202.5 Wh.

      Applying the same example of the 12V 100Ah battery and 400W solar panel mentioned above, but with the solar panel's voltage being 37.28V, we must first connect 4 batteries in series to form a 48V battery bank.

      Converting watt-hours (Wh) to ampere-hours (Ah) at 48 volts, with a charging current of 50A, we arrive at: 9202.5 Wh / 48V ≈ 200 Ah

      Since the 48V battery bank has a capacity of 100Ah, we need to increase the capacity by paralleling another identical 48V battery bank. Thus, a total of 8 batteries with a capacity of 12V 100Ah each are required to operate with the solar array consisting of the 400W solar panel.

      Now that you know the required battery capacity, voltage, and charging current, you can adjust the photovoltaic array based on the 4 decisive factors mentioned earlier.


      https://powmr.com/blogs/news/what-si...0w-solar-panel

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      • InternetPresence
        Junior Member
        • May 2024
        • 3

        #4
        Would this controller work?
        Controller:

        Maximum PV input Power is less than 40 Volts

        Maximum open voltage input of PV module is greater than 47.2 Volts

        Operational Voltage Range is at least 40 Volts

        Rated charging current greater than 27.5 Amps
        Maximum charging current is less than the rated charging current of the battery. 48v 40amp MPPT solar charge controller for 400 watts

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        • Fordtrucksforever
          Member
          • Oct 2019
          • 42

          #5
          That appears just to be a plain old battery charger. It might work fine. But rather expensive for what it is. You can buy any of those inexpensive PWM SCC for 20 to 40 bucks that will do the same thing. Looks like the one you have linked is marketed for motorhome use.

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